UFC 104 - Saturday 24th

magiver says on Oct 14, 2009, 08:05:

Haven't seen a UFC evente live anywhere. I always download them from the internet since no cable operator have them on ppv

My English is bad because its not my native language. Whats your excuse?

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mikeinpuerto says on Oct 14, 2009, 10:05:

what is it ?

Smile and everyone will wonder what they are missing.

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bickerss says on Oct 14, 2009, 11:38:

www.ufc.com Miko!!! you should get it for your bar!!

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Rocco81 says on Oct 14, 2009, 12:11:

I'm liking Cain Valesquez. He's a legit bad ass.

Sic semper tyrannis

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Saltador says on Oct 14, 2009, 12:34:

True, but wasn't he supposed to fight Shane Carwin? That would have been a great fight, I think he's going to walk through this other guy...

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esanch36 says on Oct 14, 2009, 13:07:

carwin is fight lesnar in ufc 106...i think

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Rocco81 says on Oct 14, 2009, 14:37:

Yeah ... Carwin would beat Valezquez I think. Though one of the more amazing things about Cain V is his chin. Which is interesting because Carwin hits like a truck and Cain has a chin of granite. You just cannot train that.

Rothwell vs. Valesquez should be interesting.

Ben Rothwell has a lot of experience, and has beaten some good fighters, but he has also lost to guys he shouldn't have lost to either. Seems inconsistant to me. Cain is much better wrestler 2x All American out of Az State, has a real good stand up trainer and a good tight camp of up and comers to train with. Plus his toughness and chin are outstanding. I'm psyched for this fight, should be good if Ben doesn't get tagged to early. Rothwell is about 25lbs heavier and 3-4" taller, so he will wear CV down as the fight goes on and he has the tools to win the fight for sure.

Cain Valesquez by early KO or Ben Rothwell by decision.

Sic semper tyrannis

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Rocco81 says on Oct 14, 2009, 14:43:

Not that you guys care .. but my pics are as follows:

- Machida will walk through Shogun. (KO is my prediction)
- Josh Neer / Gleison Thibeau will be a brawl (Got to go with Neer by ref stoppage)
- Spencer Fisher / Stevenson (Good fight..could go either way..give the edge to Fisher)
- Bader / Schafer (Bader has edge, Im pulling for Schaefer)
- Cael Sonnen / Okami (Cael Sonnen all the way)

Sic semper tyrannis

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bam m says on Oct 14, 2009, 20:07:

carwin trains in colorado.. ...5000 ft...and all pro fighters are blood doping....that will be the next testing...that they are not doing now.... he hits hard no doubt....but his gnp is not even close to lesnar..... CV is slow....for a heavy weight compared to lesnar..... i dont care for lesnar..but be prepared to watch him run through everyone including el negro lashly....

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bickerss says on Oct 15, 2009, 05:19:

Seems Timeout will be showing it on the big screen!!

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Rocco81 says on Oct 15, 2009, 08:46:

Bam..Totally Agree Lesnar is the real deal. He is a sick athlete and HUGE not to mention a great wrestler with an overall improving game. Carwin is a good athelete too, extrememely explosive and a better puncher than Lesnar. Wrestling, size and strength edge to Brock. I think if Brock get's in on the take down and puts Carwin on his back the fight is done.

Cain is not slow IMO. He took a shot from pinche negro Cheick Congo at the start of each round and recovered immediately which is why I remarked on his chin. But you know what they say about Mexican fighters. He has sick wrestling and his hands are coming along well. He is undefeated as of yet, but I agree with you that he won't beat a Lesnar. Lesnar is that much better than all the other heavy's.

Blood doping? Man who knows. I am sure its possible but isn't it hard to test for? Im sure the juice is still flowing with some regularity but not as much as you might imagine. All title fights are tested and the undercards are random,so who knows.

Carwin does train in Denver and they do get great conditioning up there. His teammate Brendan Schuab who is on TUF beat my heavyweight out here in DC.(My man's ACL snapped and he collapsed with Schuab following him down for the finnish) not to say Brendan wouldn't have won otherwise,...but like Brians mentioned shit just happens in MMA unlike any other sport.

I can't believe you mentioned Lashley..he is no threat at all to the heavyweights. Kimbo Slice can beat Lashley. Go watch him fight figtht Clay Guida's fat brother..Jason Guida, who I respect because he will fight anyone, but he is 18-21. Guida fought Lashley as a much fatter, smaller and outsized opponant and Lashley couldn't finish him. I'm talking Guida was like 5'10 230 and very soft...Lashley came in at 6'3 , 251 and ripped. Guida took him all 3 rounds and Lashley didn't show anything interesting at all. Not even in the same catagory as Lesnar, CV or Carwin. Hell, I could fight Lashley right now in semi good condition at 5'11 and 210lbs.

Sic semper tyrannis

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bam m says on Oct 15, 2009, 22:45:

Cain is very slow, not even close to lesnar.......no juice...all compounds are tested, including the clears from china now...in the NFL...and UFC.. including hgh...(test levels are in a ratio now...free test to test ratio...same as NFL) ...bimbo will never beat lashly.....there is a huge difference between a street fighter or some guy that trains in jits or judo ...3 or 4 times a week ...and a true conditioned fighter that does this for a living slice got put in a simple ground cross by the IFL fat guy...

its easy to see what lesnar did to mir...and how jits is a very small part of real gnp....yes you can catch an arm...or grab a foot...but there is absolutely no question that wrestling is the very best base for mma....good jits is ok but usually the judo and jits guys are very weak and without true training tactic.....north american wrestlers are used to being coached and take very well to most techniques...except sinking hooks..as NA wrestlers like a base of 2 knees...and hooking is a bit harder...but did not seem to stop lesnar as he dominated mir...

Kongo broke a rib on cro cop...buy who cares...that guy is ready for the old folks home....kongo (out of LV...) will get killed by either lashly or lesnar...he can hip throw...like judo...but never follow through....in fact..cane would blow out that darky kongo....with simple gnp....

we're all 6-3 and walk at 260...heavys.ncaa 1 wrestlers with jits from rio.....lashly is from colorado too...i have a home there and (colorado)..he has way too much muscle to compete...burns too much calories...the method is get on a stairmill for 20 min...and 100 steps/ min...and if you cant talk ....you've got too much muscle for your body...to bang...unless your are a true banger with incredible sprawl....this will end up killing carwin...(and i like that guy)...also from colorado

.if you're 5.11 and 210 walking...you'd fight at 185....no more......pat berry tried heavy and got gnp'd like a child... there is a huge difference....in real heavys ...


I know you are an active fighter...but we have 200k usd in a gym in my personal home in colombia.(just for fun)..not to mention what we do on the big island with bj...over 1MM.. you sound like a fighter....and conditioned....but we do this daily...ie ..i dont work for a living...ask el sapo..if you need confirmation...

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Rocco81 says on Oct 16, 2009, 08:06:

Yeah I remember you by another screen name Bam I knew about your gym, sounds nice and when in Med I'd like to check it out. I don't need confirmation on anything, no need to doubt what you're saying about your gym.

If you compare Cain to Lesnar, then yeah he is slower than Lesnar. So is everyone else, hell half the 185lbs are slower than lesnar haha..Lashley still doesn't compare to any of the top 20 heavyweights in pro fighting. Ok maybe Kimbo beating him is a stretch, that is almost laughable, but I can guarantee you that the fat boy Roy can. Roy Nelson is actually a pretty good fighter and has been in the ring with other good fighters, Lashley has fought nobody. Lashley is big and strong I'll give him that. He was what , DIV III ? I'm not taking that away form him, but there is a big difference from Div I NCAA to a top notch DIV III. Also if he was 100% dedicated to fighting he would go further, but as of now he's more into pro - wrestling anyways. Its where the money is so I can't really blame him.

NFL has a drug testing policy that you can drive a mac truck through, that's pretty common knowledge. And UFC fighters are still testing hot, just less than they used to, but yeah they have picked up the testing mucho in UFC.

You're correct, I do compete at 185. I did NAGA at 205 and ended up 3rd but I went in too heavy for that as those guys were walking 220-230. Like I said before walking at 210 means I'm in "ok" shape but not in tip top condition by any means. And of course it goes without saying there's a huge difference from 185 to heavy. I train on a regular basis with a heavy weight here, he's Pro. I'm his camp and his corner, sparring etc. He's about 6'4, 240. 2x All American Div I, National team 10 years, Olympic Alternate and yeah, he's a beast. You certainly correct about the difference between "real heavy's" I know and yes it sucks being outweighed and outgunned.

FYI - Cane already beat Kongo (not sure what you meant above) he ate a few big shots from Kongo which impressed me. But yeah, he just dumped him on his ass and GnP'd him over and over. Again I agree 100% that Kongo would probably lose to all the guys you mentioned.

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Rocco81 says on Oct 16, 2009, 08:09:

Oh yeah, 100% accurate about wrestling bieng the best base for ground fighting. I agree 100%. The scrapability, the coachability, the tenacity, everything.

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bam m says on Oct 16, 2009, 22:25:

i think we're on the same wave Rocco...division 1 top 10 heavies..all 3 of us.. though NFL testing is very tight now...and baseball is hot on the greenies....NFL is far tighter than you can imagine...starting last year... no reason to test hockey..they are more interested in double burgers...but the NFL is radical tight .....blood doping is about the last thing that can be done...and epo.....everyone is doing epo...especially all the fighters out of brazil...they are on so much epo that you'll see some dead in the next few years...they shoot up their rbc's to last 3 or 5 rounds...and drop muscle as most are looking for chokes and subs...with jits....and you dont need lots of muscle for jits....look at jake shields... epo'd out of his mind....check out their red eyes when they do ear check...probably 10 million rbc's (where 5 million is normal) on fight day... finally they all get a dx from a lung doctor that they have asthma...and are hittting albuterol...

ahhh ok..i missed the cane and kongo fight....i just cant follow that darky....bu cane with more speed could either go to the top or get knocked cold like gonzaga....who knows....

i think mike brown (wec) is the best pfp fighter...and most under-rated....right now...

your'e right about IFL's roy....he can hold his own...and is no joke....as you speak about ..the punchers chance is always there...for a guy like Roy...

i changed my screen name after about 5 threats....thats the only reason...we're a bit high profile in colombia and rio...

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Rocco81 says on Oct 17, 2009, 19:17:

F that...I got some funny threats too but over some other BS..

yeah we're on the same wavelength...you know your shit and are old school meathead, as am I ;)

There is a dude from Maryland that is Med now..I will let you know through PM..but he is a sick sick BJJ guy. Like international level. I think his wrestling is ok, but he's a 2nd degree black belt in jits if you guys want some extra looks down there. He's nowhere near your size though.

You were Div I top 10 ? Were you all American? Where did you wrestle if I might ask? We still go in and train at the Div I down the street here. Use the wrestling room when we aren't in the other gym, get reps with the young bucks.

Dude Im with you I dont like Kongo..I'm telling you though Cain walked into a big shot at the begenning of every round..I mean sloppy stand up just waded in and ate a shot right on the chin...wobbled and then recovered. Best chin I've seen in a long long time.

I def think Brock is top notch, he will be at the top of the foodchain for a while. Then Carwin, then you got Cain who I realy feel will stay around 4th or 5th rank until he out youth's Carwin. Carwin is a stud, but a little older. Cain is like 25 I think, has plenty of time.

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Rocco81 says on Oct 17, 2009, 19:21:

Yeah Mike Brown is the man...Chase Bebe too..did you see him KO Torres? Damn. WEC has some live ass fights man and its free.

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bickerss says on Oct 24, 2009, 15:28:

anyone know what time it starts tonight?

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bickerss says on Oct 25, 2009, 01:01:

that is the last time I will ever go to the ''time out'' bar - this is the second time in a row (for me) they have totally screwed up a fight night with shitty, cheapskate internet connection - given the amount of people that went, you think the owner could have ''lashed out'' a little and paid for a proper connection. It is a pity that Champions is no more. Pathetic!!

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Saltador says on Oct 25, 2009, 07:09:

Well, most fights went as predicted, except the main event. What did you guys think? Our group watching felt Shogun probably won, but was only slightly better so therefore did not "take" the belt from Machida....?
I thought either one of them should have tried being more aggressive in the last two rounds knowing it was so close....I think Machida was really at risk of losing his belt by not doing more.

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