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International Living are heavily promoting Ecuador. They have two things right I guess; extremely cheap and some great places to live - especially Cuenca. Not to sure about the safety of investing there, with the current government though.

By bickerss on Sep 8, 2009, 09:51 in Friendly Talkzone.


bickerss says on Sep 8, 2009, 09:53:

Every cliché you've heard about living large on little…about settling into the lap of luxury on even a retiree’s budget…is true in the place I’m about to reveal.

This is one of the world's cheapest places to live. Take $150 out of the ATM Monday morning…and your expenses are covered for the week.

You heard right. In a moment I’ll show you the actual monthly budget of a couple living the good life in one of the most beautiful, healthy and relaxed places on earth on less than $600 per month…much less than an average Social Security check.

In The Ultimate Ecuador Kit (Value $186) you’ll get:

· Ecuador: The Owner’s Manual
· Colonial Cuenca: The World’s #1 Retirement Haven
· South America’s Last Coastal Frontier
· The Ultimate Event IV Ecuador Audio Collection

Don’t wait…make sure you get the whole package. Order The World’s Top Retirement Haven Kit today – a $186 value – for just $69 and remember that this offer is only good through midnight Friday, September 11th.

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If you own your own home in this remarkable place you could pay even less each month for one of the best lifestyles on the planet.

Happily, owning in this place is easy, because it also boasts some of the world's great real estate bargains and investment opportunities. How about 2,100 square feet of beach front land… with two-bedroom house… for $115,000? Or 1,200 square foot beach view condos with hotel and beach club privileges for $79,000? Or a three-bedroom, lock-and-leave condo in a charming village in the heart of the Andes with mountain views for $54,500?

Some countries offer low costs of living. Others have good real estate buys…or attractive business opportunities. But, in two decades of looking, we've never found a country that offers all these things in abundance…plus perfect year-round weather.

I'm talking about Ecuador.

We've been telling you about the attractions of life in Ecuador and the many opportunities this country offers for nearly a decade. There are so many good reasons for coming to Ecuador, it's hard to pinpoint the best one...but this is for sure: It’s a remarkably affordable place to live.

You can employ full-time household help to cook and clean for $30 a week...enjoy a gourmet meal for two, with wine and dessert, for $25...get a haircut or take a taxi for $3...have your shoes shined for 30 cents...own a grand colonial mansion in the heart of Quito's old quarter for $150,000 or a three-bedroom home overlooking the ocean for just $85,000...pay just $150 per month for a two-bedroom apartment with courtyard in a fairytale Andes mountain village...

Indeed, Ecuador wins top honors in nearly every Global Retirement Index we’ve done in the past few years. It is among the cheapest places on earth…and the most beautiful.

Cheap...But Not Backward

Lots of places are cheap. But you wouldn't want to live in most of them. Ecuador offers a high quality of life, too. This is no isolated backwater.

And it's better every time we return. Most recently, the Quito airport has been improved dramatically--new jet ways, a totally renovated entrance, new waiting area, and huge vases of roses everywhere.

And an even newer international airport is nearing completion…one that will land passengers outside the congested metropolitan Quito area and drastically cut drive time to some of the country’s most popular highland destinations like Otavalo and Cotacachi.

In Ecuador, you can live on little…and you can live very well. You can golf on breathtaking courses so free of crowds you never have to make a tee time. Indulge in a gourmet meal in a world-class restaurant. Why not? The cost is about what you'd pay for bottled water and an appetizer in a restaurant in Los Angeles, New York, or London. The fresh fruits and vegetables you find overpriced at specialty "organic" shops up north...sell here at the local markets for pennies.

And Ecuador is increasingly connected. Daily flights depart for destinations across the hemisphere. Cell phones are standard issue. Cyber-cafes are easy to find, and home-computer hookups are common. Cable TV gets you the major U.S. networks, CNN, three HBO channels, CineMax, TLC, and more (for less than $50 a month).

You give up nothing to live here… except the high prices.

Safe...And Stable

Before I go further, let me reassure you: Ecuador is a safe place to live and invest.

Crime isn't unheard-of. Petty theft, particularly in the big cities is an issue...as it is in all big cities. But a bolstered police force and greater attention to education have been brought to bear on the problem.

In the small towns and in the countryside, the calm, quiet, and safety are remarkable. In the highland towns of Otavalo and Cotacachi, you can stroll the streets at night accosted only by the sounds of music from the parks and the greetings of passers-by. You’ll find graffiti if you look hard enough…you’ll find things like “Julio ama a Maria”.

Ecuador is a peaceful country. The population is gentle. Even in the throes of a violent economic upheaval when the local currency careened downward, losing 67% of its value against the dollar in 1999, protests were peaceful. Nobody fired a single shot.

In 2000, with its back against the wall, Ecuador implemented an economic program aimed at stabilizing the country. It replaced the sucre, the local currency with the U.S. dollar, and the congress managed to approve significant reforms in tax and Social Security law.

Ecuador is still walking its own path to recovery despite the world financial crisis. President Correa is a U.S. trained economist who is serving back-to-back terms and has instituted constitutional reforms guaranteeing human rights, property rights…even the rights of Nature to protect and preserve Ecuador’s incredible biodiversity.

And what a diverse country it is. Since Ecuador lies on the equator, it gets year-around, continuous sunshine…just one reason some of the world’s largest rose plantations thrive here. And because Ecuador has everything from gorgeous Pacific coast beaches to snow-capped Andean mountains to lush, tropical Amazon rain forest, you can pick your favorite environment just by choosing your elevation and which side of the mountains you want to be on.

In fact, Ecuador is so affordable that many expats keep two places… one on the beach and one in the highlands.

There aren’t many countries left in the world where you can do that and still keep most of your nest egg intact.

Extraordinary Profit Opportunities

Local expatriates are involved in all kinds of business endeavors--import/export…small hotels…spas…restaurants…tour companies… One of the easiest businesses to get into in Ecuador is import-export. Done even on a small scale, buying merchandise in markets and shops for resale back home can easily pay for your travel. Done on a larger scale, you could turn this kind of project into a steady income.

Ecuador's artisans are highly skilled. The markets are overflowing with handicrafts, jewelry, sweaters...all on sale for bargain prices. From turquoise, silver, and leather goods to statuary, fine alpaca apparel, and magnificent textiles, you'll find an endless selection of products you might export and resell for great profits.

But that is just one business option. The list of potential fields goes on--ecotourism, extreme sports, textile manufacturing and export, hospitality, real estate development, and much more.

Time For A Closer Look

For all these reasons and many others, it's time to take another close look at Ecuador. That's why we've compiled our experience and firsthand information into the most complete guide to Ecuador we've published yet… Ecuador: The Owner’s Manual.

This is the most comprehensive, current guide to this country available anywhere. In truth, to call it a "guide" is an understatement. This is nothing like Frommer's or Lonely Planet…not by any stretch.

For example, in our new edition of Ecuador: The Owner's Manual, we devote a full chapter to current opportunities for the entrepreneur, outlining not only the sectors where you'll find the most promise, but also providing complete references and resources to help you launch your new business in whatever field interests you most.

This manual, literally years in the making, gives you everything you need to invest, travel, buy real estate, or retire in this Land of Good Living and Eternal Sunshine.

We've included contacts and how-to information in every chapter, filling this new edition of Ecuador: The Owner's Manual with the kind of firsthand, on-the-ground insights you can gather only when you live in a place. We've included step-by-step guidelines and how-to's at every turn...the useful things you won't find in a run-of-the-mill guidebook or an embassy's country report. You’ll find details on:

How To Invest In Places That Promise The Best Lifestyle...And The Highest Returns

* Whether it's a mountain view or a beachside hideaway you're looking for, we'll pass along the names, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses for the contacts we've found most trustworthy and helpful in each of our favorite destinations.

* If you're coming here to settle, you'll need a place to live. We'll tell you what, exactly, you can expect to pay in fees when you buy property in Ecuador...don't worry, it's seldom more than $1,000. And we'll explain how everything is calculated so there won't be any surprises.

* How to find an attorney who can arrange everything from residency...to your home purchase...to setting up a business. We recommend honest, efficient, and affordable lawyers you can be sure will take care of every detail and make navigating the bureaucracy a breeze.

* Firsthand tales from the field -- stories from people who have already done what you're thinking about doing. Their hard-won advice from hacienda owners, shrimp-farm proprietors, tour operators, and resident retirees will save you time, money, and hours (maybe even weeks) of frustration...

* Nine steps to buying property in Ecuador. We've spelled out in plain English exactly what you can expect when you buy...with notes about each step that gives you the inside, "we did it, and here's what you need to watch out for" story.

The Practical Know-How For Living In Ecuador

* Complete details about residency and citizenship, learn which of the six visas is right for you...plus how you get it. * How much it really costs to live here. You'll find a sample monthly budget for a couple living in Quito on $1,600 per month and for another living in less-expensive Cuenca on a mere $1,415 per month, (and yes – the couple I told you about earlier who are living a dream life in Ecuador’s highlands for $600 a month!), plus notes about what things cost, from cable TV to dentures.

* What you should bring. Whether you're traveling for a week or six months, we've included our list of eight things you don't want to be without.

* What it costs to use a phone...hire a maid, employ a gardener, visit a doctor or dentist...and much more.

* Where to find the best medical and dental care and how much you can expect to pay to have your shoulder repaired or your teeth cleaned.

* How to get full-coverage health insurance in Ecuador for $133 per month (for a couple), including 100% hospitalization benefits, 60% paid prescriptions, and visits to doctors and clinics for $5-$6, among other benefits.

* Getting your pet to Ecuador is easy. But you'll need to start the paperwork a few weeks before you go. Learn what to do first, what you'll want to have with you when you travel, and the key person to speak with if you bring your pet back to the States.

* How to pay no taxes on your household goods...including brand-new appliances...and some firsthand advice about what to bring and what to leave at home if you're moving here full-time.

Traveler's Tips You Can't Afford To Ignore:
Luxury Hotels At Boarding House Prices...A Smart Shopper's Handbook...And More

* Where to find leather handbags...shoes and jackets...ponchos...hats...mittens... blankets...silver jewelry with lapis and turquoise...painted balsa wood birds... handmade flutes...and more. You'll learn where the best markets are, the best days to go...and the smartest way to negotiate.

* A world-class spa resort at one-third what you'd pay for a comparable experience in Europe. Five-star meals. Gardens filled with flowers and hummingbirds. Spa treatments so divine you'll never resist a return visit.

* The village where you should buy an original Panama Hat (that’s right… authentic Panama hats actually come from Ecuador). Here you get them straight from the families who weave them in their homes.

* Get a taste of the Galapagos for one-tenth the price. This little island we'll tell you about is inhabited by albatrosses, boobies, and other rare birds. Eleven species of whales come to court in these waters each year, and you can see them between June and October. We'll tell you where to stay...and the best month to go.

Business Opportunities Detailed

* From auto parts to snack food...there's a market for U.S. goods and services in Ecuador. Find out which four sectors show the most potential, and our take on how you might best position yourself to profit.

* The names and contact information for 13 excellent resources to help you launch your business in Ecuador.

* The web address for our favorite on-line site about investing in Ecuador. The more than 100 links posted there will prove invaluable, saving your time, energy, and frustration.

Think Of Us As Your Own Private Consultants...

You'll find on the shelves in Barnes & Noble a short stack of guidebooks about traveling through Ecuador...and an on-line search invariably produces hundreds of websites with Ecuador content.

None of this compares with this new edition of Ecuador: The Owner's Manual. This is not a guide for a general audience. It's designed to help you focus your search for the right place in the world to live and invest…and, specifically, to introduce you, in full detail, to all the reasons Ecuador should be at the top of your list.

It's like having a consultant walk you through your options and offer you advice. Only instead of paying somebody hundreds, even thousands of dollars for his time and expertise, you get the benefit of our collective experience and know-how, earned over more than two decades researching the world's top havens, for the price of a modest meal out.

International Living has been writing about Ecuador for nearly a decade now and over the years has developed an extensive network of local contacts. We've been to the places covered in this newest edition of Ecuador: The Owner's Manual again and again, noting changes, finding new advantages. We've long championed this country, never more enthusiastically than when economic crisis scared off so many other investors.

We have a history here. And that gives us a competitive advantage. The truth is, our team is uniquely situated to give you insider advice…for example:

* Our Rolodex of contacts--the names, phone numbers, emails, and fax numbers for every one of the people and resources we've found helpful (and trustworthy) over our years in this market.

* First-person accounts from people who have already invested in or moved to Ecuador. It's the next-best-thing to chatting with these folks face-to-face. They'll tell you why they chose this country...what they most like (and dislike) about it...and what they wish they'd known before they jumped in.

* Detailed, step-by-step guides to buying property, getting residency, and launching a business, for instance including an outline of what to expect and what to watch out for.

* A full description of the areas in Ecuador where you'll find the best opportunities for an affordable lifestyle...profitable investment...warm-weather escape...and cool-weather living...in other words: the places we think have the most to offer you in terms of value investing and quality of life--specifically, Quito, Cotacachi, Cuenca, Vilcabamba, and beyond...

Get In Now...And Beat The Crowds

Your timing is good. Now is a smart time to gain a foothold in Ecuador...before the rest of the world catches on to what a wonderland this is. Like Costa Rica and Mexico before it, Ecuador will attract a growing number of foreign retirees in the years to come.

Baby Boomers are approaching retirement at a time when the world economy is in tatters. The global financial crisis has pummeled their investment portfolios, IRAs, 401Ks, and pension funds. They face greater financial pressures in retirement than at any time since the Great Depression. And in greater numbers than ever, they are seeking alternatives to a retirement of merely scraping by in the U.S.

Right now…today…Ecuador makes perfect sense as an ideal escape from the financial chaos.

Tale of the Tape

Remember that monthly budget I mentioned earlier? The one that allows two U.S. expats to live a healthy, happy lifestyle on less than one average Social Security check?

Lee and Peg Carper live in Cotacachi, a small village in the Ecuadorian Andes two hours north of Quito. Like the clock above the town park with hands permanently stopped at 1:07, time stands still here.

Even though they live in one of the most beautiful spots on the planet, neither of them is worried about stretching their retirement dollars. That’s because their total monthly expenses are less than $600. This includes food, utilities, medical expenses, dog food, and even the rent on their new 1,200-square-foot apartment. An additional $100 covers miscellaneous expenses including cigarettes and a couple of cases of beer.

Lee and Peg’s monthly expenses:

Rent: $150
Food: $250
Water: $6
Electricity: $13
Propane: $7
Medications: $50
Laundry: $24
Housecleaning: $40
Dog food: $40
TOTAL: $580

Miscellaneous expenses rarely amount to more than $100 and include $2 haircuts, $2 manicures, $1.25 cigarettes, $7.30 cases of beer, 25-cent bus rides, and an occasional $10 doctors visit

Banking scandals, market crashes, collapsing hedge funds? Living well on less than $600 a month, you can see why Lee and Peg barely give them a thought from their home in Ecuador.

It’s All at your Fingertips

As another expat in Ecuador, Chuck Brown, puts it:

"I retired here in 1996 for many well-considered reasons--including low to no taxes...a non-invasive government...a pleasant, non-violent environment…plus a very low cost of living. I enjoy a good lifestyle on $700 a month. For this semi-retiree of 56 years, Ecuador offers exactly what I was looking for."

And Ecuador: The Owner's Manual puts everything you need to live and prosper in one of the most beautiful and affordable places on earth right in the palm of your hand.

You’ll get:

An review of Ecuador’s history, customs, and culture so you’ll know exactly what to expect when you get there;

A list of need-to-know Spanish terms for getting around (although many expats get along just fine with only English);
An overview of Ecuador’s economy (hint: it’s more than just bananas!);
A complete rundown of Ecuador’s diverse climate and geography and a guide on choosing which area – beach, mountains, or forest -- is right for you;
A step-by-step guide to buying real estate, including fees, legal considerations, land measurements, and much more;
A guide to Ecuador’s visa and residency requirements;
How to get your pets and household goods to your new home in Ecuador;
A practical guide to the nuts-and-bolts… how to manage your utilities, internet, telephone, banking, transportation, mail, etc.;
A review of social and business etiquette in Ecuador, including tipping, taxis, meeting protocols, business dress, personal titles, greetings, gifts, and much more;
A complete chapter on business opportunities, including examples and advice from entrepreneurs actually doing business in Ecuador;
An introduction to commercial real estate opportunities in Ecuador, from hotels and apartment buildings to farms and ranches;
An overview of tax considerations for expats living and doing business in Ecuador;
A complete cost of living overview including how much you can expect to spend to live in four of Ecuador’s most popular areas;
A guide to health care in Ecuador including general prices, insurance resources and hospital recommendations (hint: you simply can’t get the same quality care in the U.S. for the same price);
Ecuador travel advice, including what to pack, where to go, how to get there, how to stay in touch, and incredible deals on some of Ecuador’s most astounding natural wonders;
Extensive appendices full of invaluable Ecuador contacts and resources, including our comprehensive Rolodex of legal, personal, and professional services that will be your Ecuador bible for getting anything you want done in Ecuador.
That’s it… a complete manual for everything you’ll want to do, know, and see in Ecuador.

And the best part is that we publish this manual electronically…so it's much more useful, colorful, and interactive than ever before. Plus you'll have access to it as soon as your order has processed.

What's more, we're so confident that you'll be pleasantly surprised by all Ecuador has to offer, that we’re giving you a 90-day, no-hassle, money back guarantee. If for any reason you’re not completely satisfied with the depth and breadth of information you find in Ecuador: The Owner’s Manual, we’ll refund your purchase within 90 days, no questions asked.

The newly updated edition of Ecuador: The Owner’s Manual is your best guide to the best retirement haven around, and right now we’re offering it for just $69.

That’s a bargain for the amount of current, usable information in this manual… especially considering that it could launch you on your way to the most enjoyable…and affordable…life you’ve ever imagined.

But we’re not stopping there. We think that Ecuador makes so much sense right now… from almost every economic and quality of life point of view that we’re going to send you our exclusive Ultimate Ecuador Kit … in addition to Ecuador: The Owner’s Manual we’re going to send three additional Ecuador bonuses… they are yours absolutely free.

Special Bonus #1: Colonial Cuenca: The World’s #1 Retirement Haven (Value $19)
The cultural heart of Ecuador, colonial Cuenca enjoys well-preserved Spanish architecture and cobblestone streets. Its universities are among the best in South America, and it is home to a thriving artistic community. This special report contains first-hand accounts from IL readers already living here who agree: This is the world's #1 retirement haven..

Special Bonus #2: South America’s Last Coastal Frontier (Value $49)
In this in-depth report we take a look at a very special area of Ecuador. In it we reveal the incredible details about Ecuador’s soon-to-boom stretch of magnificent Pacific coastline, including:

Ecuador’s “Little Miami Beach” … This up-and-coming resort town hosts the country’s biggest fishing tournament. At any given time, this city is likely to hold two or three world fishing records for sailfish, tuna, and black marlin. Hemingway even fished here. You’ll also find excellent restaurants, casinos, beach activities, and it's close to an international airport. We recently spotted a new two-bedroom, two-bathroom, 1,000-square-foot house in a gated community for just $46,000.
If you love peace and quiet, a pleasant community of beach houses, and a natural setting, we found a three-bedroom, two-bathroom, beachfront house that was recently for sale in the area for just $67,000 … and an oceanfront lot that was offered for only $39,000.
South American Boomtown… This small town is on the verge of a growth explosion. There’s a major program in the works to expand its shipping and transportation capacity. The mayor says the city is setting its sights on becoming South America’s largest port (more than $800 million has been committed to upgrading the port) and many in the shipping trade think the goal is achievable. In short, it’s one of the top investment opportunities in Latin America. And here you could recently find a new three-bedroom, two-bathroom, 1,400-square-foot house with a swimming pool for just $70,000.
Sport fishing, Surfing, And Spectacular Sunsets … In this small fishing town, you can stroll on a beach that’s 2,600 feet wide in places (that’s half a mile wide). You can enjoy world-class waves, exceptional sport fishing, windsurfing, hang gliding, horseback riding, jet skiing, and other outdoor activities. And in this area, which has all the earmarks of this country’s newest coastal resort, properties are still cheap. In fact, a rustic two-bedroom, one-bathroom cottage that is just 150 feet away from the water was listed at just $43,000.
Caribbean Character, Lush Green Vegetation, And Palm-Lined Beaches… In this party town, you can swing to reggae and salsa beats. Enjoy spicy Afro-Caribbean inspired cuisine, go swimming and snorkeling, or just relax on one of the gray and white-sand beaches. Recent listings in the area include a new 1,100-square-foot, two-bedroom, two-bathroom condo in a small beachside complex, with a pool and nicely landscaped gardens for just $82,900.
We’ve done our homework and found beachfront deals that would go for millions in San Diego or Malibu… deals you can take advantage of right now with this special report.

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The scene – The luxurious Swiss Hotel in Quito, Ecuador. The occasion: International Living’s Fourth Annual Ultimate Event. For four action-packed days, 260 attendees heard from an unprecedented collection of experts from around the world about proven strategies for living and prospering abroad. Included were some of our most experienced Ecuador contacts and experts telling their personal stories about finding and living the good life in Ecuador

Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!!

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tasco66 says on Sep 8, 2009, 09:54:

They like Colombia too:

http://www.internationalliving.com/Publications/Free-E-Letters/IL-Post...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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bickerss says on Sep 8, 2009, 09:58:

This is by the way not a plug for IL - I read their stuff, as they do have good ideas, however would never participate in one of their investment opportunities - I have seen first hand in Panama the huge mark-up in price that they apply to the properties they promote.

Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!!

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miamimike says on Sep 8, 2009, 10:24:

Theyr'e doing this now in Ecuador, Mexico, Nicaragua. Theyv'e(IL) have toned down the rhetoric a little in Nicaragua since Ortega got back into power, like maybe its not such a great place to invest in afterall. Mark my words, they'll (IL) will move into Colombia and try to run the Price up there also. When Cuba opens up, they'll head there to make a Buck. Ditto for Haiti. A Buddy of mine went on a Tour with IL a few years ago to Ecuador, he wasn't too impressed due to very high prices once he was there, boots on the ground. The homes IL pushed once he arrived were very costly for what they were. They(IL) do pay well for Travel Articles however,,,

Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte después Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte de

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quantum says on Sep 8, 2009, 10:55:

And Nicaragua too.......I used to read their stuff years ago but they bombarded me with too much hype and I had to dismiss them. Doesnt mean that some of their info is not valid tho. They generally have good taste and u can glean some useful info from them. A few months back I was corresponding with an American guy in his mid 50's who had a bed and breakfast in Bahia Ecuador. The town looked really nice, clean, cleaner than the typical Panamanian pueblo, and the beaches beautiful, but he eventually sold it and left. I think he was bored with the culture and the women. He said he was spending quite a bit of time in el eje cafetero de Colombia cuz of the gorgeous and cultured women. Ecuador, like Panama is nice and cheap and has geographic and climatic attributes, but lacks culture and the host population is not typically very attractive. I think the single expat in Ecuador would find himself dreaming about the lovlies in Colombia much of the time.....

quantum

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miamimike says on Sep 8, 2009, 11:25:

Quantum, I mentioned Nicaragua and the Ortega Factor in my above post.

Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte después Bésame, bésame mucho Como si fuera esta noche La última vez Bésame, bésame mucho Que tengo miedo a perderte Perderte de

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Sam Salmon says on Sep 8, 2009, 12:18:

Fishing offshore in Ecuador isn't always that great-you're in the middle of a commercial fleet that's killing everything in sight- beaches are slaughterhouses-it can't last forever.

The Ecuadoran commercial fleet now has it sights on Las Islas Galapagos and has had some successes in obtaining access there.

' a la orden!'

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tasco66 says on Sep 8, 2009, 14:14:

" I mentioned Nicaragua and the Ortega Factor in my above post."

Yep, and Ecuador will go down the same path with Correa. They just put in place a 2% tax on money going out of Ecuador and this is just a start....

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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quantum says on Sep 8, 2009, 16:29:

Sorry MM, u must have been posting at the same time that I was writing...and Brians, Im happy for Colombias sake that there are people who think like you, but fact remains, Panama is peaceful. Doesnt even begin to have the deepseated problems that Colombia has. Neither does Ecuador for that matter.......lets face it.....for all of Colombias obvious charms and cultural advantages and beautiful seductive women, it is not a country at peace. Not yet, anyway.......and invest at yur own risk. There are too many booby traps there, especially in the areas that I like most, being off the beaten track......Panama needs a cleanup, but is getting it.....I see things getting better here. I see a local population that wants to cooperate and improve. Enuff of them anyway. And now it has a President that insists on getting things done. This is one country where things in general are moving in the right direction.......I would like to be able to say that about Colombia too, but lately I dont know.........

quantum

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Gator says on Sep 8, 2009, 18:40:

Nice place to visit-wouldn't want to live there.

Atrevido, ROTFLMAS

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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mikeinpuerto says on Sep 8, 2009, 19:41:

IL is all about kickbacks ......they create mini booms and then get out ......Buyer beware ......

Smile and everyone will wonder what they are missing.

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mikeinpuerto says on Sep 8, 2009, 19:42:

Hey Steve in the atory from IL you could just change the name of the country and it works ...

Smile and everyone will wonder what they are missing.

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miamimike says on Sep 8, 2009, 21:24:

Panama offers US Retirees some kickass benefits hard to beat anywhere and it doesn't take much to qualify for their retiree visa--$500 monthly income like SS. I transited thru the canal various times on merchant ships, pulling into port on the Pacific side several times at Bilboa. Nice area, all the "Girls" were from Colombia at Gloria's House. Panama really offers Benefits for Retirees.


for Foreign Retirees
in Retire in Panama
The government of Panama has the best incentive program in the world for foreign retirees.
Some of the benefits are:
One-time importation duty exemption on all your personal and household goods up to $10,000.
Importation duty exemption of a car free of taxes every two years. (Other taxes do apply)
All foreigners (not just retirees) who purchase a home of more than $200,000 have the right to a residency visa.
100% Property tax exemption for sole residence
The following benefits are for all retirees - both Foreign residents and Panamanian:
50% off closing costs for home loans.
25% off both international and domestic airline tickets.
50% off hotel accomodations Monday-Thursday
10% off prescription medicines ( which are inexpensive to begin with)
15% off dental and eye exams.
30% off bus, boat and train fares.
25% Restaurants
25% Airfares
15% Fast Food Restaurants
20% Doctor visits and Surgery
25% Monthly energy, phone and water bill
15% Optometry services
15% Dental
50% Hotel from Monday thru Thursday and 30% on weekends
50% off entertainment including movies, concerts, sporting events and theater everyday. ( This means for example, a movie ticket will cost you $2. And Panamanian cinemas receive American movies about the same time they come out in the States.)
In Panama all banks (mandated by law) have special express lines for Retirees.
And don't forget, you can hire a full time maid for less than $200 a month. That is probably the most helpful “retiree benefit”.
No doubt about it- Panama is the most Retiree-Friendly country in the world.

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bickerss says on Sep 8, 2009, 21:40:

Ecuador has some great places - I like Quito a lot and Cuenca is a fantastic colonial town; one of the best I have been to.

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miamimike says on Sep 8, 2009, 21:50:

How are their benefits for retirees?

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bickerss says on Sep 8, 2009, 23:46:

I do not think they have the benefits that Panama does

http://www.internationalliving.com/Countries/Ecuador/Visa

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tasco66 says on Sep 9, 2009, 05:26:

Yep Mongo, there is hope for Ecuador since "According to a Gallup poll held in Ecuador, the citizens of the country like the Colombian president better than the Venezuelan leader, despite their countries strain relations with Colombia and close ties with Venezuela.

Uribe is more popular than Chavez ... Chavez can count on the sympathy of 29% of the Ecuadorians, but Uribe has 37%"

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/polls-are-inecuadorians-like-uri...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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larumberainglesa says on Sep 10, 2009, 03:23:

I lived in Ecuador for 8 years. Much more relaxed security wise than colombia I would say.

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bickerss says on Sep 10, 2009, 04:50:

Ecuador was much worse for petty crime IMO compared to the major cities in Colombia.

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muffiemae says on Sep 10, 2009, 04:59:

This was a post (not mine) on another forum I belong to:

"I hear there are many beautiful areas in Ecuador, but some things I don't like
about Ecuador are new initiatives by the government to create local Citizen
Committees in defense of well-conceived expression to encumber freedom of
speech, repeated defaults on global bond debt, worldwide taxation with
governmental requirements of Declaracion Patrimonial for citizens and residency
visa holders to officially report all property and monetary holdings annually
above $200K/$400K as a couple or maintain records for review for lower values,
importation of only fairly new vehicles, political instability with seven
presidents since 1996, termination of the U.S. military base lease this year in
Manta for drug interdiction, Correo's immediate revamping of the Constitution
with relaxation of presidential term limits (possible incumbency for him till
2017), Correo's declaration that many radio and TV stations will retrogress to
state control, high homicidal rates, over half of the economy dependent on
declining oil prices, El Nino intensity along coastal regions, severe cuts to
importation reducing the availability of goods, declining relations with
neighboring Colombia, Correo's alleged alliance and ties to FARC for campaign
funds with expelling of U.S. embassy diplomats.
The possibility of cheaper doesn't necessarily translate into overall
satisfaction for me, but only others can decide for themselves. Neither am I
impressed with some of the pending legislative changes in Panama and the U.S."

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robbie1 says on Sep 10, 2009, 05:47:

Thanks for sharing that muffie.

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tasco66 says on Sep 10, 2009, 09:23:

US: Cut off Ecuador - The Washington Times

Narco-guerrillas are too cozy in Quito.

Several recent developments make it imperative for the United States to end the trade preferences it gives to the leftist government of Ecuador.

On July 15, Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa said that in his new role as president of the Union of South American Nations, he will try to create a regional organization to shut down critics in the media. This frightening move against a free press came two weeks after Mr. Correa began efforts to shut down Ecuador's Teleamazonas television network.

On July 16, Ecuador's state-owned Petroecuador oil company seized the oil fields of the Anglo-French Perenco Corp. This was despite a demand in May from an official arbitration body of the World Bank that the Ecuadorean government stop seizing oil. The expropriation of oil is nothing new. In 2006, Ecuador did the same thing to the American Occidental Petroleum Corp.

Most damning of all, Associated Press reported on July 17 that "an hourlong video" of a rebel leader "appears to dispel any doubts that Colombia's largest rebel army gave money to the 2006 election campaign" of Mr. Correa. That army, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (known by its Spanish acronym, FARC), is officially labeled a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department. The Council on Foreign Relations identifies the Marxist FARC as an outfit known for major cocaine trafficking, kidnapping, hijacking, assassinations and other murders.

The FARC leader on the video reads a letter discussing "assistance in dollars to Correa's campaign and subsequent conversations with his emissaries." FARC is known to operate out of camps on Ecuadorean soil and is one of the most destructive agents fighting against the Colombian government, which is a close American ally.

Mr. Correa has denied any knowledge of FARC funding of his campaign and has vowed to investigate, a pledge that may be akin to the wolf investigating who killed the sheep. As the Economist magazine concluded, with prototypical British understatement, "outside Ecuador, the FARC video will do nothing to encourage the idea that Mr. Correa, whatever his political talents, is a responsible statesman."

Despite all this, Ecuador still enjoys preferential trade treatment with the United States as part of the Andean Trade Preference Act, which was renewed in June for Quito for six more months by President Obama. On June 9, however, the Business Roundtable, the National Association of Manufacturers, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and three other major business organizations protested, writing that because of "breaches in the basic rule of law that are occurring in Ecuador ... we believe that the automatic renewal of Andean preferences for Ecuador would send the wrong message to other developing countries."

Recent developments bring to mind the dispute with Chevron Corp., in which Mr. Correa's government is supporting a $27 billion lawsuit for ill-proven damages, involving purported pollution for which an earlier Ecuadorean government already had cleared Texaco (which is now part of Chevron) back in 1998. As we have noted before, Ecuador's court system has been denounced as unreliable or corrupt by the United Nations, the International Bar Association and the U.S. State Department.

A government that tries to destroy a free press while seizing foreign businesses and harboring terrorists is a government with no credibility. Ecuador merits neither trade preferences nor respect, but only suspicion.

http://www.hacer.org/report/2009/08/us-cut-off-ecuador-washington-time...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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bickerss says on Sep 11, 2009, 22:21:

What $50k, $80k, and $250k Buys You on the Beach in Ecuador

International Living Postcards—your daily escape
Friday, Sept. 11, 2009

Dear International Living Reader,

Think about your favorite beach, the one you most like to spend vacations on. Now consider what kind of second home you could buy there for less than $50,000…less than $100,000…and less than $250,000 (depending on your budget).

Now look at the three beach properties below that Ronan McMahon has found in each of those price ranges.

Obviously, I can't know what beach you were thinking of. But I know this: Ronan's about to tell you about your new favorite beach.

Len Galvin
Managing Editor, IL Postcards

P.S. A few days ago, the White House revealed new ways they say will make it easier to save for retirement. But what they didn't talk about is the biggest change in the way Americans are already saving for their retirement—something a lot of IL readers are using right now to retire earlier…and better. Get the full story here.


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3 Beach Homes in the World's Top Retirement Haven
By Ronan McMahon

It’s official. Ecuador has topped International Living’s Retirement Index. One of the reasons: Ecuador has the best real estate values of any country I know. Whether it’s mountain, beach or city…the values here are unsurpassed.

For beach property you should look to the Salinas area. Here $50,000 buys you a beach condo...$79,900 buys you a home right on the beach.

Guayaquil is Ecuador’s most populous city and is home to an international airport. Salinas is less than two hours north, located at the southern end of La Ruta del Sol. Its 9.5 miles of wide sandy beach has made it Ecuador’s “in” playground…perfect for sunbathing, boating, surfing, sport-fishing, and, of course, posing.

The beachfront is lined with upscale high-rise apartments, hotels, restaurants, shops, and discos. Salinas has a stylish Miami-Beach type ambience. Residents and visitors enjoy the sun and water sports during the day. The evening is for fine dining and the vibrant nightlife.

Despite price falls in Miami however your dollar goes 5-7 times further here. Have you ever heard of a luxury condo for $50,000 in Miami?

A new condominium community is being built at the edge of a tranquil, semi-private beach a few miles north of the malecón (boardwalk) in the Costa del Oro area of Salinas. It’s located near the Puerto Lucia Yacht Club, a popular destination for international sailors and an embarkation point for world-class deep-sea fishing charters; $50,000 buys you a condo here.

Despite the price tag you won’t sacrifice location or construction quality. Luxurious touches such as porcelain tile floors, imported granite countertops, and ceramic tile baths come as standard, as does a view of the Pacific Ocean in some units.

At 592 square feet, the $50,000 condo is small by North American standards. Clever design however means that these are perfect little beach condos. Anyway, the action is outdoors.

This condo is just minutes from grocery stores, a shopping mall, a country club, yacht clubs, restaurants, medical clinics, and the many other amenities of Salinas. Plans for the condo community include 24-hour security, an oceanfront social area for exclusive use by unit owners and guests, a gym, pool, Jacuzzi, sauna, and secure parking. Just steps from your front door you’ll find its biggest amenity: The Beach.

Maybe you are looking for a house...somewhere with more space.

Just outside of Salinas in Ballenita, $79,900 buys you a 1,800-square-foot home right on the beach. This home sits atop a small cliff. Your private walkway takes you to the sand below. On a 5380-square-foot lot the home has three bedrooms and 2 1/2 baths with living room, dining room, kitchen, huge upper deck, wash room, exterior bathroom for Jacuzzi area and parking for three cars. Just a few blocks away is the Ballenita boardwalk with wonderful outdoor restaurants offering the "catch of the day" and refreshing drinks.

From the outdoor Jacuzzi, and outside cabana area you overlook the beach. This is a wonderful place to relax while enjoying the sound of the waves crashing on the beach just below.

Want even more space. Maybe a nine-bedroom retreat? This will set you back $235,000. The view is postcard perfect. The pool overlooks the ocean and the outside dining area makes every meal a spectacular event. The tennis court is just outside the front door as is the circular driveway. Perfect for a private family retreat or B&B. All furniture, fittings and appliances are included in the $235,000 price tag. There is even a maid's quarters if you wish to have help live in.

Not only are real estate prices incredibly low here but holding costs are an even better bargain. Taxes on this mansion are $236 a year. That’s not a typo. The taxes on this nine-bedroom property will set you back $236 a year. For a couple of hundred bucks a month you can have full time help.

If you think you can’t afford to retire you need to take a look at Ecuador.

[The best way to view properties like this first hand is to join a group of IL readers on a real estate tour of this stretch of coast. E-mail Amy tours at pathfinderinternational.net. She’s standing by to fill you in on what you will see if you join the next tour.]

When I last spoke about my most recent Ecuador scouting trip (to a group of conference attendees), everything I said was recorded. If you're thinking of buying in this country, I recommend you first listen to my presentation. This recording (fast forward to 12.45 on the audio to hear me talk about Ecuador) is part of the Ultimate Ecuador Kit--see the box below for details.

FINAL NOTICE: This is the LAST DAY you can get the Ultimate Ecuador Kit. As well as the Ecuador Owner’s Manual, you get three extra bonuses, free:

Special Bonus # 1: Colonial Cuenca: The World's #1 Retirement Haven. The cultural heart of Ecuador, colonial Cuenca enjoys well-preserved Spanish architecture and cobblestone streets. Its universities are among the best in South America, and it is home to a thriving artistic community. This hot-off-the-presses special report contains first-hand accounts from IL readers already living here who agree: This is the world's #1 retirement haven…

Special Bonus # 2: South America’s Last Coastal Frontier. This report takes an in-depth look at a soon-to-boom stretch of Ecuador’s Pacific coast. If you’re interested in your own stretch of sand--in a place where property values are poised to appreciate quickly and significantly--then this is a must-read.

Special Bonus #3: The Ultimate Event IV Ecuador Audio Collection. This is three hours of folks with years worth of on-the-ground experience in Ecuador telling you everything they know. They share their personal stories about finding and living the good life there--including hard-won advice for saving time, money, and trouble. We got it all on tape.

Order your Ultimate Ecuador Kit now, and you’ll have the most up-to-date, on-the-ground intelligence available about this gem of a country. If you’re looking for a place where you can live better for less…Ecuador should be at the top of your list.


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utopiacowboy says on Sep 12, 2009, 09:17:

Ecuador is no gringo paradise. Give them a few years and there will be mobs dragging you out of your "nine bedroom retreat".

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Londoner says on Sep 12, 2009, 17:27:

I agee with that Utopia.On my last trip to Ecuador ,I noticed a rise in xenophobia against foreigners,a typical Correa tactic to boost his declining popularity.They have already prohibited foreigners buying property within 20 kilometres of the frontier,and soldiers have been visiting foreiners who live there with a view to expropriation.Look out for more anti foreigner moves by Correa who is tryin to turn Ecuador into another Cuba.

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