FARC at 4 Kilometers from Parque Tayrona!
This afternoon, I had a call from the workers at my finca in Magdalena.
Early this morning, a group of people who live in Vereda Orinoco just one hour walking up to the Sierra from the main road,
Troncal del Caribe, reached Vereda Los Cocos, saying that guerrillas told them to leave home.
Vereda Los Cocos is on Troncal del Caribe, 4 kilometers from the main entrance of Parque Tayrona.
Right now, around 200 troops were sent up to Orinoco, more are right there at Los Cocos and an entire battalion "de alta montana" is being moved from Machete Pelao, up from Buritaca.
The situation seems actually under control on the main road.
By robi666 on Jun 22, 2008, 18:01 in Friendly Talkzone.
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robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:02:
Again, it is just 4 Kilometers from the main entrance of Parque Tayrona.
For everybody going there, please be cautious.
I would avoid to visit Quebrada Valencia and Buritaca, too.
Going to Ciudad Perdida without first knowing what's going on would be crazy...
I would not go to Minca as well.
They just mentioned it on Caracol on TV, too.
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robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:07:
It sounds really strange.
Rumors are that those people invented everything to get money from Plan Colombia, but you never know.
FARC use to keep their position higher in the Sierra, at something like 5 days walking from the main road.
But, after the dismantlement of the paracos up there (Los Mellizos' group, Los Nevados), FARC may be trying to get their territory.
I was posting something about it just a month ago.
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webmanco says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:15:
Viva Bogotá, I hope peace comes from social investment and not war
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huskie says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:15:
Oh Boy!! Not good
Cheers
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"
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robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:17:
Social investment are required, but, first, let's begin with PLOMO.
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davidm3 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:18:
Where exactly do you live? I have relatives who have a place in Buritaca, I'll be calling them about this.
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robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:19:
David,
Los Cocos is around 10 kilometers before Buritaca, coming from Santa Marta.
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webmanco says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:25:
Plomo ventiao pero no se sabe contra quien, si paracos o guerrilla, or whoelse?
You are alwasy welcome to safe and sunny Bogotá.
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davidm3 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:26:
And are you there now!?!? Be carefull, Rob. I've heard the paracos were bad, but the guerrilla is worse!
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robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:34:
I'm in Medellin. I was riding in Caldas this afternoon when a storm began. I was a couple of hours up on the mountains. Got back with a liter of water in my boots...
Sunny Bogota? Maldidos cachacos, come viven para aca con esta lluvia? :)
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davidm3 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:39:
What the heck were you riding on, a horse?
It hasn't rained too much lately, not like last week and today was rather sunny. And by the way, cachacos don't get out when it's raining...hehe
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robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:44:
Yes, a horse.
When it started raining up there, it got pretty cold. All of a sudden in my mind, I had catastrophic images of cars and buses drifting in a sea of ice. I thought "if it comes a Granizada, I am dead!"
But then I though, "Hell... I am quite far from Bogota, maybe I can live another day".
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webmanco says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:47:
Cachacos are weather resistant and not crying babies :-)
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robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:48:
LOL
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huskie says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:58:
vi sono stati che hanno allucinazione , Lei vive in Medallo, non preocupare, bello
Cheers
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jorgegdiaz says on Jun 22, 2008, 19:31:
"robi666 says on Jun 22, 2008, 18:17: flag
Social investment are required, but, first, let's begin with PLOMO."
I flagged that comment for being ... right
"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so."Robert Orben
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jonny305 says on Jun 22, 2008, 20:31:
so does santa marta have paras or farc
i thought the coast was safe(r) from guerillas???
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masterrrrrr says on Jun 23, 2008, 03:46:
shit, just convinced my girlfriend to go to Santa Marta and do trips to Parque Tayrona and Ciudad Perdida in a couple of months time...this will not help ...
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masterrrrrr says on Jun 23, 2008, 03:46:
although a couple of months of plomo could do the trick...
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elmodefoque says on Jun 23, 2008, 04:12:
i've traveled to Buritaca dozens of times, even when it was suppose to be no man's land.
I've never seen any farc around these parts. I've come accross ELN and thuosands of paracos but few farc.
All you do is tell them where you're going, who you gonna see and what they do for a living. Also how long you'll be there, then you throw them a 10 mil and you're good to go.
farc and eln is mostly a cachaco problem
This part of colombia is infested with paracos.
ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER
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romy says on Jun 23, 2008, 05:40:
for how long is 'plomo' necessary before we get to the other stuff?
robi, sorry to hear of your predicament though... to a certain extent the guerrillas are more dangerous to YOU than are the paras.
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robi666 says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:02:
FARC han an historical presence in the height of the Sierra Nevada, and they have intelligence presence in Santa Marta.
As an example:
http://www.hoydiariodelmagdalena.com.co/Sabado/Secciones/judicial.htm#...
But, also, a couple of weeks ago, http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/paracos-sold-a-kidnapped-person-....
About what happened in Los Cocos: now it seems that the responsible of this action are paracos!
Peter or Desi, if you can help changing the title of the thread "400 persons fled by paracos 4 Kilomètres form Parque Tayrona"
... Sorry, but "guerrillas" is what I was told first time at the phone.
http://www.hoydiariodelmagdalena.com.co/hoy/Secciones/La_ciuidad.htm#E...
La Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta se ha convertido durante los últimos años en uno de los sitios del territorio nacional en donde los grupos delincuenciales se disputan dicho lugar en aras de conservar sus estructuras criminales financiadas en su mayorÃa por el narcotráfico. En esta ocasión y tras la desaparición de los grupos paramilitares, la banda delincuencial “Los Nevados�? y “Las �?guilas Negras�?, un naciente grupo denominado “Los Paisas�? desplazaron durante este fin de semana a decenas de familias nativas de la región, quienes han tenido que quedarse en el corregimiento de Guachaca por las amenazas de muerte que integrantes del mencionado grupo les han hecho.
En total las autoridades del Magdalena contabilizaron más de 400 personas que procedentes de lugares como las veredas de Miramar, Orinoco, Los Cocos y la Parte Alta del macizo montañoso.
De acuerdo a lo narrado por habitantes de la vereda Miramar, en horas de la mañana del pasado domingo tres hombre encapuchados, se acercaron a la vereda y le informaron a la comunidad que si no desocupaba sus hogares antes del lunes, empezarÃan a asesinarlos.
Ante esta situación y con el precedente existente en la región en donde un agricultor de nombre Alberto Gutiérrez Barranco fue muerto el pasado miércoles por un integrante de “Los Paisas�?, los nativos de la Sierra desalojaron sus sitios de estadÃa y se volcaron masivamente hacia la carretera Troncal del Caribe a esperas que las autoridades resolvieran la situación.
Los desplazamientos terminaron a las 10:30 de la noche del domingo llegaron a la carretera Troncal del Caribe a la altura del sector de Los Cocos, en donde se quedaron gracias a la ayuda de una persona que les prestó un local.
Un habitante de la vereda amenazada aseguró que esta ha sido declara da objetivo militar, además de una lista en la que figuran varias personas que serán asesinadas por un grupo ilegal que se hace llamar ‘Los Paisas’.
Al respecto el comandante encargado de la PolicÃa en el Magdalena, teniente coronel Pedro Antonio López se trasladó hasta el sector donde estaba el asentamiento y en una reunión con lo lÃderes del las tres veredas, Acción Social, Defensora del Pueblo y un representante del Ejercito, se llegó a un acuerdo para que la presencia de la fuerza publica haga más controles y patrullajes en el sector.
“Estamos muy preocupado por este nuevo grupo al margen de la ley que se hace llamar ‘Los Paisas’, y que nos tiene aterrada a gran parte de la comunidad de la Sierra Nevada, desplazando y asesinando a campesinos del sector.
Por esa razón hemos destinado un personal de la PolicÃa para que preste seguridad en los dos corregimientos de la parte baja, y varios soldados del Ejército quienes estarán en la vereda donde se presentó el hecho�?, manifestó el alto oficial.
Se pudo conocer de manera oficial que desde la noche del domingo cuando fue alertado el Ejército, hasta la zona se desplazaron 108 soldados profesionales para salvaguardar la vereda.
Aunque las condiciones para el regreso estaban dadas los tres lideres decidieron no retronar a sus veredas hasta tanto no tenga la presencia constante de los militares.
Por esta razón hoy se realizará un concejo de seguridad con el alcalde, en donde se tratará el tema de la ubicación de una base en la vereda que al parecer quiere ser manejada por ‘Los Paisas’.
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robi666 says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:04:
Vereda Orinoco is where the army went near to get VÃctor Manuel MejÃa, before he got killed in Taraza.
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robi666 says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:26:
"robi, sorry to hear of your predicament though... to a certain extent the guerrillas are more dangerous to YOU than are the paras."
Romy, I tell you that the new paracos are not the same as the old groups. They are just as dangerous as FARC to anybody. More dangerous than FARC.
When they need money, they want to get money. No matter if they have to kidnapp you and sell to FARC up in the Sierra.
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Albatross says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:55:
Shit... I've been planning to show my novia Santa Marta, Taganga and Parque Tayrona in a few weeks.
“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken
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robi666 says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:23:
If I could, I would change the title of the thread to:
Paracos caused forcible displacement of 400 people just 4 kilometers from Parque Tayrona
Latest info:
Around 10 days ago, a campesino was killed (they cut his throat) by paracos of the new group, Los Paisas, whose leader is Daniel Rendón, alias Don Mario.
http://colombiaconflict.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/medellin-violence-on-...
The people were advised against denouncing the fact, but a campesino did not follow that advice. So, he was threatened to be killed and his family was forced to flee.
As a reaction, the whole population left their home and reached Los Cocos down the main road.
They are asking a permanent presence of the army up in the Vereda Orinoco and they are menacing to put a block on Troncal del Caribe.
Vereda Orinoco, just one hour from the road, has always been a paracos stronghold: just few months ago, VÃctor Manuel MejÃa Múnera aka "El Mellizo was almost taken there during an impressive military operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VÃctor_Manuel_MejÃa_Múnera
Again, I am talking about a place which is just within 5 kilometers from the main entrance of Parque Tayrona.
I visited Vereda Orinoco a few months ago: the place is freaking awesome. It can be reached with a jeep in 40 minutes, travelling through luscious mountains. All of a sudden, a nice village, with a nice restaurant bar appears in the jungle: you cannot avoid thinking about what that nice village is doing up there...
People are trying to survive how they can and they have some nice nursery farms up there.
Beautiful ponds and waterfalls in the surroundings: the place would surely be a tourist attraction if just the road was in a better state (talking about social investment, Webmanco).
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minina says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:28:
I traveled with my family to buritaca back in 2002 we didn't have any problems. And we didn't encounter neither guerillas nor paracos
DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS...
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robi666 says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:43:
"we didn't encounter neither guerillas nor paracos"
You know, it is not like they go around with an advice hanging on their back...
Back in 2002, that zone was a major stronghold of Bloque Tayrona, whose leader was Hernan Giraldo a.k.a. El Patron.
Any vehicle, and I mean any vehicle, passing the bridge on Rio Piedras after Canaveral was reported on radio.
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minina says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:53:
"You know, it is not like they go around with an advice hanging on their back"
They don't need to publicize themselves.
DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS...
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billyb says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:55:
Las Farc siguen perdiendo hombres
Redacción de El PaÃs
Desmovilizados. Estos son los guerrilleros que se entregaron al Ejército y la Iglesia en los Farallones de Cali.
Oswaldo Páez / El PaÃs
Debido al hambre y por estar incomunicados, dejaron las armas siete insurgentes.
Un comandante del Frente 30 de las Farc y seis guerrilleros rasos, que estaban bajo el mando de alias Mincho, decidieron abandonar las armas y entregarse ayer al Ejército Nacional en la parte alta de los Farallones de Cali.
La desmovilización tuvo lugar ante tropas del Batallón de Alta Montaña No. 3 y a integrantes de la Iglesia Católica.
El comandante ‘Jair’ y seis de sus hombres, entre los que se encontraban dos menores de edad, expresaron que la decisión de entregarse a las autoridades obedeció a que ‘Mincho’ los abandonó a su suerte y les perdió confianza.
Afirmaron que durante seis años pertenecieron a las Farc. Sus funciones era hacer exploración de determinadas zonas, realizar controles y medidas de seguridad.
“A nosotros nos perdieron la confianza, además muchos se están desmovilizando y nos dejaron tirados�, manifestó ‘Jair’.
El jefe guerrillero también aseguró que estaban aguantando hambre, dado que no les llevaban comida, ni tampoco medicamentos.
“Desde hace un tiempo no recibÃamos apoyo de los altos mandos, por lo que empezamos a soportar hambre y a pasar unos dÃas con muchos problemas, además estábamos con una presión muy fuerte del Ejército, por eso con los hombres a mi mando decidimos entregarnosâ€?, expresó ‘Jair’.
Alias Mincho es uno de los cabecillas de frentes de las Farc más buscados por las autoridades colombianas en el suroccidente colombiano, sindicado de ataques a la población civil.
También aseguró que su actividad solamente se centró en la exploración y que no realizó secuestros, extorsiones ni matanzas.
Reiteró que el Frente 30 comandado por alias Mincho, “no tiene ningún tipo de comunicación con los demás grupos y sus integrantes están debilitados por la acción de las Fuerzas Militares�.
Por su parte, el comandante de la Tercera División del Ejército, general Justo Eliseo Peña, enfatizó que “la difÃcil situación económica en la que se encuentran los guerrilleros, la falta de comunicación con sus altos mandos y su situación familiar, los llevó a entregarseâ€?.
También precisó que ellos estaban por el sector de Piedras, que comunica con la zona del Naya y desemboca en el Océano PacÃfico.
“Los hemos recibido y entrarán al programa de desmovilización, esperamos que más hombres de las Farc sigan este ejemplo�, agregó el general Peña.
Los insurgentes entregaron a las Fuerzas Militares armas, municiones y granadas. Algunos de ellos estaban uniformados con prendas de uso privativo del Ejército y uno con uniforme de la PolicÃa. Todos mezclaban elementos alusivos al grupo insurgente.
El general Peña subrayó que en los próximos dÃas se espera la desmovilización de otros 20 guerrilleros.
De otro lado, en combates tres insurgentes de las Farc, uno del ELN y dos miembros de bandas al servicio del narcotráfico fueron dados de baja el pasado fin de semana en el Valle.
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romy says on Jun 24, 2008, 06:59:
I've been aware of being around plenty of paracos as they seem to hang out close to the army and touristy areas. I was however surprised at hearing some of the stories from my dad of our our close encounters with guerrillas, I was too young then to comprehend why we had to leave our picnic in a rush or why we had to move briskly through certain army-looking people.
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 07:07:
I can't edit an original post, only demote or delete, lock or unlock. Sorry. perhaps Peter?
"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)
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robi666 says on Jun 24, 2008, 07:10:
No, Desi, Peter wrote me to post my will to edit the title in a comment, like I did a few comments above.
"Paracos caused forcible displacement of 400 people just 4 kilometers from Parque Tayrona"
"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."
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webmanco says on Jun 24, 2008, 13:24:
Paraquitos por favor, se demora un poquito mas pero suena mas bonito
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robi666 says on Jun 26, 2008, 14:09:
Desplazados de la Sierra Nevada regresan a sus veredas
Luego de que las fuerzas armadas entregaran la certificación donde dan total garantÃa de seguridad en el área de la Sierra Nevada afectada por el desplazamiento, el cual es un documento fundamental dentro del protocolo de retorno, el alcalde encargado, César Riascos, se dirigió a la zona de Los Cocos en compañÃa de un comité de apoyo, con el fin de establecer las condiciones de retorno de la población hacia las Veredas Miramar y Orinoco.
Frente a ello, la Personera Distrital, MarÃa Catalina Parra Osorio, explicó que desde ayer se está trabajando en la “operación retorno", ya que se subió a las veredas afectadas con los lÃderes de las comunidades, para que ellos mismos verificaran las condiciones de seguridad y posteriormente le informaran al resto de la población la situación de los lugares para asÃ, darle cumplimiento al compromiso adquirido de volver a las parcelas a partir de las nueve de la mañana del dÃa de ayer.
“Ya está subiendo el camión con la población de Orinoco, los cuales se sienten más seguros después de ver la presencia del Ejército Nacional y con la decisión de subir, nos están demostrando que tienen pleno conocimiento de que cuentan con todas las medias de seguridad, afirmó la funcionaria.
En consecuencia con esto, el Alcalde Encargado dijo que de acuerdo con la información suministrada por el Ejército Nacional, hay presencia de un grupo de 350 soldados en la zona afectada, enfatizando en que “desde el mismo momento en que se presentó el desplazamiento, estuvimos en reuniones con la presencia de la fuerza pública y ya dieron un parte de total seguridad en el sector que está completamente militarizado y con base en ello, se ha activado el protocolo de retorno, donde el Ejercito da garantÃas de seguridad en el área.
Asà mismo, César Riascos, señaló que la población desplazada ha entendido la situación luego de que se les generara confianza por parte de las instituciones, demostrándolo con la disposición de retornar a sus parcelas.
“Recalcamos que el Ejército Nacional está adelantando absolutamente todas las actividades correspondientes a su compromiso de erradicar los grupos armados que se encuentren operando en la Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta y que junto a la PolicÃa Nacional, manifestaron que la situación está bajo control, con presencia militar desde la Vereda de Miramar hasta la parte baja de Los Cocos.
Desde el mismo domingo en horas de la mañana cuando se tuvo conocimiento de la situación, se activó el plan de contingencia para atender la emergencia.
Todos los funcionarios de la Administración Distrital, encabezada por el Alcalde, Juan Pablo DÃaz Granados Pinedo, quedaron a disposición y han venido trabajando alrededor de la situación.
Se informó a los representantes de Acción Social y desde el mismo domingo, nos desplazamos hasta el lugar para reunirnos con todos los lÃderes de las comunidades afectadas, advirtió el alcalde encargado, César Riascos.
Por su parte, el Alcalde de Santa Marta, Juan Pablo DÃaz Granados Pinedo, dijo que la Administración Distrital no agotó esfuerzos en la atención de la emergencia para atender los reclamos de la comunidad, señalando que “desde el momento del desplazamiento se les entregó mercados, agua, servicios de baños, carpas y colchonetas.
De igual forma, se solicitaron las ayudas respectivas al Gobierno Nacional a través de los representantes de Acción Social y la Cruz Roja.
http://www.el-informador.com/detgen.php?id=32890
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getting better says on Jun 26, 2008, 14:20:
As an alternative please consider the El Dorado nature reserve above Santa Marta. This is one of the most beautiful places in Colombia.
It is at around 2000m altitude and from the lodge you can see the Caribbean. From a spot about 100m from the lodge you can see the 5800m peaks of the Sierra Nevada de Santa Manta (sorry you cant see both from the same spot but the geography doesn’t allow that).
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robi666 says on Jun 26, 2008, 15:04:
"(sorry you cant see both from the same spot but the geography doesn’t allow that)."
Hey, you can see both from the same spot in my finca! ;) Very early in the morning... 90% of the time the peaks are covered by clouds.
I want to have a look at El Dorado next month...
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