an article about a Mail Order Bride

theflatline says on Nov 2, 2009, 16:03:

Good story,

But truth be told, there are many men who are on their third and fourth foreign bride because they are so socially inept or jackasses they have to plumb the third world until they find one who is either too dumb to be a gold digger, or with the same jackass mindset to tolerate each other.

If you are on your 2 marriage and 3 third engagment, do not holler puta, look in the mirror.

It is a shame really because even in the US there are plenty of good women.

Lack of social couth and good manners are usually overlooked do to the obvious language barrier but after the afterglow, that is when the trouble starts.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 2, 2009, 16:06:

babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 16:07:

I found it interesting really. Basically it's a sugar daddy arrangment (in this article) with wedding vows.

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babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 18:41:

CT... "Thanks for the post, BG. This happens countless times all over the world in many different countries. It's spooky and disconcerting, but I certainly understand and sympathize with her motivation..."

Me too. I feel for them and thought it was interesting to get a female perspective too.

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theflatline says on Nov 2, 2009, 18:55:

Mail order brides, internet meets, and even flying to another country for the express purpose of meeting a woman to marry are all the same thing. It is very relevant to Colombia.

I have looked through your posts and you have had two filipinas and one Colombiana go south on you you and you called them, putas. Does this article hit close to home because of your poor judge of character?

I am not attacking you but questioning your motives lately when you attack people for no reason and pass judgement on them.

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babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:07:

Thanks for sending my thread down south Greg. Still don't know why it would bother you that much though... seriously.... why? TOOL time!

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babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:09:

Ma... OMFG... that's freakin' hilarious.

Greg... why does it bother you so much? Why are you yelling. Thanks again for ruining my thread.

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babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:12:

Greg..."This place is not just for you to get tweet responses!" Ok since that's upsetting you too. That's something that Peter might debate as it will bring more hits to his site and possibly help his page rank, in theory, so I'm certain he doesn't mind my friend. Why do you think the gosh darned tweet button is here?

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:23:

Better off spending your money on a www.realdoll.com.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:24:

Greg, nobody is arguing that it shouldn't be in the off topic section, really, who freakin' cares. If the mods want to move it, and at this point it's a garbage post, so I think they should, then WHO CARES. It's there decision.

Thanks again for ruining my post. Email the bloody mods and have them move it for goodness sake.

Once again, thanks for ruining my post. One comment wouldn't have been sufficient to voice your opinion, but you're going to go on and on and on and on about it aren't you?

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:25:

theflatline says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:34:

Greg,

Are going to ask every one to see their hall pass?

It might be about a Chinese woman but it brings a great perspective and is very relevant.

Even after a moderator saw it, labeled it interesting and decided to let it ride.

Why must you rattle your saber at everyone when you disagree with something, and in this case it is harmless.

It is relevant because 99.9 percent of the foreigners on this board(including yourself) went to Colombia looking for a bride. And it really offers a female perspective that we do not get too often.

You really need to lighten up and remove yourself from that pedestal you think you are on.

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babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:35:

Hi Bill, thanks. I won't be upset or offended if it gets moved to off topic. It really doesn't make a difference to me where the information is posted. I thought it would make a good conversation piece. It's too bad it's so polluted now. = :(

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theflatline says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:41:

Mods,

I would beg of you to leave this thread, because of its value as it pertains to online relationships and the reasoning behind them. Even after a moderator said it was interesting only one member has had a problem with it.

To quote Mr. Spock "Logic Dictates That The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few".

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babygirl says on Nov 2, 2009, 19:43:

Hmmmm well leave the thread but delete some of the comments perhaps? ;)

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christobeldawg says on Nov 2, 2009, 20:11:

Thanks for the link Utopia. That solves the problem for me. She doesn't talk, walk, or ask me where I have been. Actually, how creepy are those galz. It would be like sleeping with a dead person. No thanks, we will continue to pour money into something alive, wtf?

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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theflatline says on Nov 2, 2009, 20:46:

Greg,

Have you no sense of community? That some of us actually think this is relevant.

I am Colombian and I think it is relevant to Colombia because of all you gringos coming and getting Colombian wives.

There are plenty of posts that are made here that are off topic that remain in this thread. Because they are fun and draw page views.

This isn't just your sandbox and just because you cannot play well with others means you can take your ball and go home.

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Wastelandlive says on Nov 2, 2009, 21:53:

GY,

You are boring Sir. And making an ass of yourself...

Slightly more on topic, I'm uncertain what the scandal is or what the author really had issue with. It was a "fake" marriage? What does she suppose marriage is?

Some people crack me up. Necessary fictions, and all that. Sure, she had a long history of mutual support with her fiance. I'm sure they went dutch from day one. Whatever...

Wasteland

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theflatline says on Nov 2, 2009, 21:56:

I would think someone on his fourth visa to bring a woman to the US would be loathe to pass an opinion in any relationship thread.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 3, 2009, 00:51:

Buongone says on Nov 3, 2009, 01:45:

Make It A Sticky!

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Buongone says on Nov 3, 2009, 01:46:

Whats with the Picture upload tonight. Broke?

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Buongone says on Nov 3, 2009, 01:51:

Tried taking the Black Cat pumpkin off twice. Both times came back with something different. Just Curious. Thanks Halloween is Over.

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 3, 2009, 04:12:

barrumundi says on Nov 3, 2009, 04:58:

READ IT NOW GREG.

My Friend Is a Mail-Order Bride

Serving as matron of honor should be a privilege. But how could I endorse her marriage of convenience?

Over a glass of sauvignon blanc in my Bogota loft, Christine struggled to find the right words in her faltering English. She pulled out her pocket translator and showed me a phrase on the screen: matron of honor. I hesitated.

"Please?" she said.

"Of course!" I hoped my response didn't sound too forced. I hadn't included Christine in my own upcoming wedding, but I was more concerned with the fact that I'd never tried to talk her out of her engagement in the first place. I had just agreed to be the maid of honor for a mail-order bride.

When I arrived in Colombia for work a year before, with my fiancé, Gregg, in tow, I'd heard about some peculiar local courtship rituals: parents gathering in parks with their children's résumés to orchestrate matches, high-maintenance Colombian women openly seeking wealthy foreign men and the designer bags they could provide.

Christine seemed to be none of these — we met while waiting in line to buy tickets for an Olympic soccer game. She had the fresh, creaseless skin of a schoolgirl, a diamond solitaire resting on her collarbone. She'd worked as a model in her 20s, and, now 31, she was a secretary at an export business. We decided to be language study partners, and exchanged numbers.

Over the next several months we grew close. She took me to markets on Bogota's outskirts and introduced me to émpanadas, laughing as she watched me choke down the gooey chunks. After I'd mentioned my search for a wedding gown, she surprised me with a figure-hugging, traditional Colombian dress. It would bring me luck on my wedding day, she explained.

We often studied together at one of our homes. She lived in a colorless neighborhood in the south of Bogota, sharing a cramped three-room apartment with a roommate. One day, when the vocabulary word "to envy," came up in my Spanish book, she repeated it: "I envy you."

"Why?" I asked.

"Because you marry."

Several months later, after quitting her job and disappearing for a while, Christine reached out. "I have boyfriend," she said. "We will marry." She explained that she'd been to Medellin to meet a Canadian divorcé in his mid-40s whom she'd flirted with on an Internet dating site.

They stayed in a five-star hotel, ate at pricey Centro food malls, and expanded her wardrobe — all on his credit card. She had agreed to marry him, and he had promised her a car and a $3000 wedding dress — unthinkable for most brides in Bogota, where the average monthly income is $300. At his request, she would enroll in cooking and English classes full-time until the wedding.

As I pressed her for more details, the website where they'd "met" began to sound more Buy-a-Bride than Match. It was for people "ready to marry immediately," Christine admitted, and Colombian men weren't welcome — only foreign passport holders. I got online and learned more than I wanted to know: The men were required to have a considerable income; the women were told to post pictures in which they appeared "attractive and happy." (Christine showed me professional photos of herself smiling in black lingerie, her hair falling seductively over one eye.) Testimonials celebrated Colombian brides as "petite, soft, and gentle," and one guy added, "They don't bust your chops when you are home a little late or forget an anniversary."

Seeing it written so plainly hit a nerve. Was that all marriage was to her, a business arrangement? In my mind, Western men who bought foreign wives were insecure losers at best, creeps with fetishes at worst. Christine deserved more.

During the four years Gregg and I had dated before he proposed, we'd supported each other through the stress of new jobs, at family funerals, in the close quarters of our car on cross-country road trips. I wanted to share her excitement, but the wedding felt as phony as the Prada bags being hustled on the streets of Cali.

In the weeks before both of our weddings, the perils of such a blatant arrangement surfaced. While I planned my centerpieces and bridesmaid favors, Christine's fiancé reminded her in daily phone calls not to gain weight before the big day.

She was looking for him to hold up his end of the bargain, too, informing him that she preferred Louis Vuitton to Coach — a request he hesitated to fulfill, as his design firm was suffering in the gloomy economy.

But then, haven't plenty of American women made secret compromises that were no less crass at their core? And isn't every marriage a gamble? The more I talked to Christine, the more I realized that I needed to back slowly away from my Western mind-set and see her situation for what it was: She was a Colombian woman with little education and few options — her career wasn't stable in a city where ads for secretaries often include the footnote, "Women without big boobs and a big butt need not apply" — who wanted security, a family, and a comfortable life.

And as she talked about her impending marriage, it became clear that she wasn't naive about the challenges. But instead of waiting around to accept her fate, she had taken it into her own hands. Maybe there was something powerful, even brave, about that.

After agreeing to be her matron of honor that night, I typed risk into her pocket translator and pushed it across the table. She smiled. Christine knew she was taking a risk, but it was worth it to her for the chance at a better life and, just maybe, love.

http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/uploading-photos-for-dummies/

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barrumundi says on Nov 3, 2009, 05:01:

jajajajajajajaja....now it can stay.....no problemo!

Babygirl, I am sorry your post was ruined......it WAS a good story.

http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/uploading-photos-for-dummies/

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barrumundi says on Nov 3, 2009, 05:03:

I only changed a few words......and now it seems very......topical.

http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/uploading-photos-for-dummies/

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johnny2009 says on Nov 3, 2009, 05:03:

If only you had arrived earlier

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 3, 2009, 05:09:

babygirl says on Nov 3, 2009, 05:23:

Haha. Thanks guys. I actually wanted to go back and edit my OP post to include the word Colombia in it some how. I just don't understand why he would get that upset over it. So silly. Some people can only see black and white, and that's fine. Usually Engineers, Accountants etc... and again, that's fine, but why go on and on about it? Jeez.

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CharlieTheOwl says on Nov 3, 2009, 05:33:

Mail order brides are nothing new.When the United States was being colonized and expanding West, arrange marriages were common. Usually an artist would draw a picture of the women and the men would choose which one they wanted to marry. The women would then be shipped over from Europe.

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Panama says on Nov 3, 2009, 05:49:

LOL .............. I have to stand with FLATLINE on his first reply to this post.. It coulden't be a more TRUE statement.. Also

The difference is as we all know is the Colombiana does not have her tits meet her knees at the age of 45 even if they have to have them fixed[ at least they do]., And the American women just don't give a shit about her looks or the way she smells. Her hair looks like shit and her body looks like piggy wiggy.. This is why 99% of the men looking for another start in a country such as Colombia when they are looking for the youthful look. I for one am one of them. I am not afraid to admit it either...

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 3, 2009, 08:10:

Let me spend some time reading this one and get back to you.. jajajaj lol

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Desi1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 3, 2009, 08:12:

There's a little less for you to read now.
I have removed some irrelevant comments.

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 3, 2009, 08:17:

Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 3, 2009, 08:29:

Ahhh common DESI, I hope you didnt remove too much material for my cynicism..jajajajajajaja lol

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luck4unme says on Nov 3, 2009, 09:23:

Here's hoping the irrelevant commenter gets removed too. :) :)

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miamimike says on Nov 3, 2009, 10:26:

Baby Girl, they call these guy you describe in your article as Sugardaddies in Spanish are called Papi-Chulos. Older guys maintaining a 35 year or younger Latina with monthly Moneygrams, Rent support, gifts ect. Ask our resident poster Elmo about them.lol

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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Buongone says on Nov 3, 2009, 10:29:

Think he's grew fins & a tail !!

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theflatline says on Nov 3, 2009, 10:37:

miamimike,

they hey are maintaining someone in their 30s then they have truly scraped the bottom of the barrel. If you are going to be a sugar daddy, then get the 22 year old.

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johnny2009 says on Nov 3, 2009, 10:41:

Ah this can go in this thread

Wife, 28, bludgeoned millionaire husband, 76, to death with a giant pestle after he asked for a divorce

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1224965/Wife-guilty-...

I wonder what a 28 year old saw in a 76 year old MILLIONAIRE. Was it Londoner that said the Colombians are the Nigerians of Latin America?

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miamimike says on Nov 3, 2009, 10:51:

FL--carefully re-read my post and you will see I wrote 35 yr or younger which would include a 22 yr old. To a 75 yr old Chulo,a 35 yr old is young. Its all relative as they say,,,

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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Rocco81 says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:09:

Arranged marriages and mail order brides are nothing new.You really need to look at the societies these women come from before you start judging them.

Just because a woman form let's say Russia or South America is kind of interested in oh, I dunno...a man without TB, a man with a job, that does not live with his mom at 35, that can feed himself, that doesn't have 3 other gf's, that doesn't beat the shit out of his wife, doesn't have a dozen kids out of wedlock that doesn't make them gold diggers or whores.

Same with the dudes that get these brides. If some nerdy computer geek wants to get married and is completely lonely and socially retarded, then let him do his thing. He'll probably make a great loyal non abbusive husband to some of these women and they will live happily ever after. Plus, its going to be the same, in his own country no matter what country he is from. Nerdy computer guys usually make atleast "ok" money. This means that the chances a hottie 10 from his own country will love him for "bieng him" and not his 401k or his house, or his stable career, or his nice car...are slim to none.

Sic semper tyrannis

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:27:

We all know that Mail Order Brides are carefully shipped in cardboard boxes and delivered by UPS on your front porch. All CCs accepted.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:35:

The question is really one of refunds. Did said person get his credit card purchase refunded to him? also, WHO is the common denominator in all of the failed relationships? That is where the evidence will be found....

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theflatline says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:40:

Or maybe said person could not bring the heat that these young brown lovelies were used to.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:44:

TFL, that premature statement is really flimsy and limp.

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theflatline says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:46:

Miguel, it really does not have any stamina or depth, and is very white washed and plain.

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babygirl says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:46:

What I found so interesting about this article that it was a blatant sugar daddy arrangement. They were both very up front about what the expected and needed from each other. I was always under the impression, with the mail order bride / marriage agency situation that they maintained the illusion that they were in love or are meant for each other etc... I mean I know it could very well happen that they fall for each other, so I'm not bashing it at all. To each his own. But isn't the woman supposed to pretend she's not looking for a way out and for money only and the man is supposed to pretend...well I can't and won't comment on that ;)

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babygirl says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:48:

PS: Thanks mods. Thanks Desi for cleaning things up too.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:50:

Since the beginning of marriage itself, it was a matter of improving ones position in life. Who wants to marry someone who is worse off? Whether financially, a non-abuser, good provider......Nothing has changed. I think the decision to marry or not to marry is bases on alot of factors, not just one.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 3, 2009, 11:52:

The author obviously comes from a better off country of origin, with her "man" in "tow" (must be a gringa from the US)...........lets put her in the shoes of the Chineses lady, and see who/what she marries.......lets see if the arrogant cnut changes her atitude in life....=)

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miamimike says on Nov 3, 2009, 15:08:

BG--Do you have a Papi-Chulo of your own? lol

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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MaBarker says on Nov 3, 2009, 15:13:

......There's a little less for you to read now.
I have removed some irrelevant comments.........
.
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I've been called many names in life, but never 'irrelevant'. I'm hurt.

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barrumundi says on Nov 3, 2009, 15:30:

Best comments so far:

TFL: If you are on your 2 marriage and 3 third engagment, do not holler puta, look in the mirror.

MC: WHO is the common denominator in all of the failed relationships? That is where the evidence will be found....

Funniest comments so far:

GY: ..."This place is not just for you to get tweet responses!"

GY: The Chinese forum was designed specifically for this topic!

Best inuendo:

MC: TFL, that premature statement is really flimsy and limp.

http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/uploading-photos-for-dummies/

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babygirl says on Nov 3, 2009, 17:37:

miamimike says on Nov 3, 2009, 15:08 (today): flag
BG--Do you have a Papi-Chulo of your own? lol
*****
LOL ummm no I can't say I do, yet ;) I'm too old for a sugar daddy anyway.

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miamimike says on Nov 3, 2009, 20:14:

BG---Its all relevant Age wise! I know a Argentine lady who married her Cuban Papi-Chulo here in Miami's Little Habana; she was like 42 and he was 82. Would that work for you? ha ha Or is he too young at 82? Hehe

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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christobeldawg says on Nov 3, 2009, 20:28:

One big difference, for one considering a mail order bride, so to speak, is that the women in China would tend, generally, to be much more clinical about it, whereas the Colombianas are going to me much more emotional, and romantic, about it, as the Chinese are eastern, and the Colombians are romantic westerners. The Colombians, mostly, will require much attention to detail, as to romance, wheras the Chinese may not be so interested in that, more interested in practical matters.

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El Expatriado says on Nov 4, 2009, 03:51:

How much you want to bet "Christine's" maraige lasts longe than the authors?

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El Expatriado says on Nov 4, 2009, 03:54:

I don't necessarily agree with you Chritobledog. The underlying motive is the same. Anyone denying it has their head in the sand.

The Latina romantic stuff will be a cultural facade.

It doesn't matter how peoplwe get together. What happens after 10 or 20 years is he important issue.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 4, 2009, 06:46:

El Expat....i bet it last longer as well........

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Rocco81 says on Nov 4, 2009, 08:21:

Exactly...I bet the Author was an overweight Gringa that makes her miserable mate go to relationship workshops. hahah

Sic semper tyrannis

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babygirl says on Nov 4, 2009, 09:40:

Guys, I didn't take it that the author was bashing or looking down her nose at her friend for the arrangement. There are tons of women in the States and Canada that do the same thing, either looking for their life mate or just a sugar daddy. I have a close friend that won't date someone that doesn't make a certain amount of money, own his home, nice car etc.... She's thinking ahead and looking out for her future. I liked the fact that the author did recognize that she needed to back away and try to look at the situation without a Western mind set. At one point, a few years ago, before I started to travel, I was disgusted and appalled by the whole concept of an arranged marriage. "How archaic". But some of the situations that I've seen and things that I've witnessed through travel have softened my harsh opinion. Sure it's a huge sacrifice for a hopeless romantic like me, but a sacrifice that maybe is worth it to give yourself and family a better life.

El Expatriado says on Nov 4, 2009, 03:51 (today): flag
How much you want to bet "Christine's" maraige lasts longe than the authors?
******
Possibly unless she finds someone that has more to offer once she becomes 'westernized'. I suppose that's the risk HE takes in the arrangement.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 4, 2009, 10:15:

All i know is if I was a woman living in a 3rd World country where i had no real future or qualtity of life, ie, Russia, Poland, etc, i would be either the biggest and richest HOE there, or i would look for someone who could make my life better. I mean, who WANTS to be poor and would would not WANT to better their lot in life??? other than Rubito, of course..=P...It is natural to want to improve ones life...that is what most of us are doing everyday....so how are these women any different than the rest of us, in that sense?

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Lisa Zee says on Nov 4, 2009, 11:34:

Hey Miguel, I don`t think having money makes life better, only if you don`t have to sleep with some old fart!. Not me, I rather be poor than sleep with a man you don`t have anything in common , no language, culture, family, being abuse most of the time....

Vive la vida y deja vivir!.

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johnny2009 says on Nov 4, 2009, 11:35:

"All i know is if I was a woman living in a 3rd World country where i had no real future or qualtity of life, ie, Russia, Poland, etc"

3rd world country? Poland is in the feckin European Union.

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Desi1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 4, 2009, 11:55:

Babygirl, that was pretty much what I thought too reading some of the comments above. I don't know where the negative vibe (overweight gringa) comes from, perhaps some posters have had negative experiences in their lives that colour their interpretation of reality.

I would also have to disagree with Miguel_Clavo and others who seem to think women basically marry for money or to get a better hand than the one they were dealt to in the first round. That may be the case in a Third World country, that's the type of mentality, but not everywhere. I would have to say that at least in my neighbourhood personality traits, compability, communication and looks are placed before wealth when women marry.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 4, 2009, 12:04:

I rode a Harley around Poland, and yes, i have never seen a country with such poverty...i am not talking about the elitests, i am talking about the everyday people, like all those jobless folk where hanging out at the gas stations is the highlight of their day watching traffic....when you see nothing but hunger in their eyes, then who gives a flying rats ass if the elitists call it a 2nd or 3rd world country...Russians have it better than the Poles...and i rode the harley in russia as well....

Of course there are other factors, IF AVAILABLE on the plate.....but who marries someone to make their lot in life worse?? Very few....you either look for someone who can provide for the family, etc. Who intentionally looks for some one who is jobless? VERY FEW people marry downword.....We look for qualities in a person which benefits us somehow...

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 4, 2009, 12:07:

I guess many clueless people here on PBH have never met a California woman. That is obvious. The schools in CA teach Golddigging 101 in Jr High schools.

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 4, 2009, 14:21:

I've met California women. My dad married one. jajaja But good point Clavo. I think UCLA, USC, and Cal State LA have post grad programs in Gold Digging. GD 101 is probably offered at places like Fresno State and UC Santa Cruz and such.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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billyb says on Nov 4, 2009, 19:49:

:I mean it appears that in this example the "Gringo" was either mislead or dumped so not exactly a direct purchase as there was some selectivity by the women...Correct??"

Kinda like buying a new suit , which then asks to be returned?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Nov 4, 2009, 19:50:

"3rd world country? Poland is in the feckin European Union."

Exactly, where's the argument?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Nov 4, 2009, 19:54:

"I've met California women. My dad married one. jajaja But good point Clavo. I think UCLA, USC, and Cal State LA have post grad programs in Gold Digging. GD 101 is probably offered at places like Fresno State and UC Santa Cruz and such"

jaja, and they come to the SF Bay Area for their PHDs, but, ahhh, god bless them, one and all.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 4, 2009, 19:57:

billyb.....wheres the argument...jajajaja...i wouldnt exactly call Poland a 2nd world country....not the Poland i saw.....although i did get pulled over by two Polish motorcops for speeding....jajaj

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billyb says on Nov 4, 2009, 20:01:

"although i did get pulled over by two Polish motorcops for speeding....jajaj"

What? No professional courtesy discount?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 4, 2009, 20:07:

hell, they were lucky i pulled over....=)....they had Honda 250s...jajaja.....i got caught in a Ukraine radar trap as well.....l learned what a ukraine cop does to pull people over..they stand in the traffic lane pointing this little white stick at you, then you are supposed to pull over once you pass the cop holding his 1940s radar gun. I am glad i stopped as i hadnt seen the 3rd cop smoking his cigar a ways past the other two. His job was to use his automatic rifle to mow down the people who dont stop....jajaja..i wanted his job.......=)

btw, the polish cops let me take their photo, and then they let me go.....=)

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billyb says on Nov 4, 2009, 20:11:

"btw, the polish cops let me take their photo, and then they let me go.....=)"

Was this it?

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 4, 2009, 20:58:

naw...thems be BTown coppers..jajaja

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El Expatriado says on Nov 5, 2009, 03:13:

I think this post is dead. The Women from the super liberal Westen countries like Sweden and Canada would never agree with the jaded old world weary red necks, so why even try.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 5, 2009, 04:23:

Well in some cultures marriages are arranged, India for example. The problem is not the women as typically they stay in it for the long hall unless they are puta which is more likely the case because in those traditional families they do not marry their daughters off to gringos.

So a bastard like clash of cultures and norms is what you have. A relationship is hard enough I do not see how people think they can make one work from two vastly different cultures, two different languages and from different countries?

But the little head is busy for the guy and the open pocket book is busy for the girl. Ahhhhh Love is found at last!

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babygirl says on Nov 5, 2009, 04:30:

El Expatriado says on Nov 5, 2009, 03:13 (today): flag
I think this post is dead. The Women from the super liberal Westen countries like Sweden and Canada would never agree with the jaded old world weary red necks, so why even try.
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Why would we have to agree? I love debate and / or just hearing other people's view and opinions. Sometimes I do end up changing my views on a subject matter. Life would be so boring if we all agreed about everything all the time. I was just kind of confused (and I think Desi was too) that some of the men on here attacked the author with negativity, because I didn't get that from the article at all. I also thought the article would shed a positive and different perspective on the whole arranged marriage / marriage agency subject for both men and women alike that are very judgmental on the subject.

Any how, BillyB and Clavo seem to be stuck in Poland, how are things over there gentlemen? Perogies? Vodka and a Harley! MC that would make a great headline for a travel story. hahaha. You get a bike yet MC? I WILL be bugging you for a ride, so be forewarned. Remember I've been told I look like a Biker chic? ;)

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 5, 2009, 04:46:

"Sometimes I do end up changing my views on a subject matter." Oh no you can not do this on PBH? This is one true sign of intelligent life. Stop it and never do that again.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 5, 2009, 06:47:

BG....my connection to Poland has already been posted. Billyb's connection is that he used to be a Pole Dancer in a **special bar** in San Francisco, near where he lives.....of course, he was much thinner then and in better shape. Dont think he could hang nowdays at his age. =)...ugh, the idea of him wearing those blue Adult Depends prancing and dancing on the Pole is making me sick.....yuck!

Not yet, BG, on the bike here....still saving my aluminum beer cans..on beer at a time.....=)....and yes, i remember our conversation, well, most of it, at least...jajajja

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billyb says on Nov 5, 2009, 06:52:

Migs, I can't do it anymore, but have been teaching my pup some of the moves that made me so famous ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 5, 2009, 06:54:

billyb,,,that is hilarious...good comeback...jjajajajajjaa

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babygirl says on Nov 5, 2009, 07:43:

Thanks MC, just got a visual of BB as a pole dancer. Excuse me 'por fa' while I find the keys to the liquor cabinet. ;)
OFYM.. ;)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 5, 2009, 09:45:

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 5, 2009, 14:03:

Where did you get a pic of Yohn's baby MC?

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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Buongone says on Nov 5, 2009, 15:18:

OFM, says:
But the little head is busy for the guy and the open pocket book is busy for the girl. Ahhhhh Love is found at last!
Had to start Laughing. A Great one.

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El Expatriado says on Nov 6, 2009, 03:44:

In Russia you don't have to an Agaency or have an arranged marriage. Just go into a late night disco like club triple 7 in Yuznho Sakhalinsk and all the hot young babes just rub up against you on the dance floor.

Not that I am that into it, cuz you have to stay up really late (which I don't like, it disturbsmy beauty rest), they only speak Russian (I onl speak about 50 words) and there is so much second hand smoke you feel sick and your clothes stink for days afterwards.

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El Expatriado says on Nov 6, 2009, 03:46:

I'm not eatin pyrogies, but I eat lots of Holopchis at the camp on the offshore rig. Hope I don't get too fat. Too tired to work out ater 12 hour days.

Lots of Borscht , tozya (igual de tambien)

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